Blogstorms, digital teacups: New Calvinists and Nicene Trinitarianism
(nota bene: I was updating this post about daily with any new contributions I came across. I am no longer doing so, as the debate has largely moved on. [It's certainly not over, people are indeed still writing and blogging about it. I would say the initial storm of discussion has subsided though, and I am no longer actively monitoring it]
The posts below are in roughly chronological order. New additions welcome!)
Blog posts galore have flown back and forth this week over whether certain persons in contemporary reformed Calvinist circles are pushing their Trinitarian barrels in a non-orthodox direction because of gender debates between Complementarian and Egalitarian positions. Here's a collation of posts so far:
Liam Goligher kicked things off with two fiery posts:
They were particularly fiery posts in that they didn't stop short of saying that using Eternal Subordination to prop up complementarianism was a departure from Nicene Trinitarian theology and thus tantamount to a heretical view of the Trinity.
Carl Trueman then followed up from Goligher's post:
Michael Bird weighed in:
Mark Thompson gives us:
and promises a second post.
Michael Bird gives a second post outlining some of his own thoughts on the issue:
Wayne Grudem gives a defence of his position:
As does Bruce Ware:
Denny Burk gives a few follow-up comments to Ware and Grudem:
And Trueman offers some brief rejoinders to Ware and Grudem:
Mike Ovey's comments in support of Eternal Subordination:
- Should I resign? On the eternal subordination of the Son (original post here, reblogged at Credo)
See also posts by
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Scot McKnight: Is it New? Yes. It is Orthodox? No.
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Darren Sumner: Some Observations on the Eternal Functional Subordination Debate
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Mark Jones: God's Will and Eternal Submission
Michel Barnes, a renowned Patristics scholar, added some comments apparently on facebook, reproduced by Michael Bird (with permission):
There is also a bit of a response from Patristics scholar Lewis Ayres, on the same facebook post. Here's the repost on Bird's blog:
There's also a summary post by Andrew Wilson
My friend Ryan Clevenger has a great post on Gregory Nazianzen's view of the subject:
Luke Stamps has a tidy contribution that brings in Calvin and Gregory of Nazianzus together:
Fred Sanders offers his own related contribution here:
Mike Ovey responds with quite a bit of sass to Michael Bird's take on his position:
Owen Stracham, a self described advocate of "Eternal Relations and Authority Submission" defends his position here:
A second post from Mark Jones:
A third post from Mark Jones, really getting stuck into Strachan:
TGC Australia have decided to write a whole series addressing it, by Andrew Moody and Mark Baddeley
Luke Stamps also shares some thoughts on the divine will:
There's a post from Derek Rishmawy,
Andrew Perriman:
- The subordination of the Son, and why it has nothing to do with gender. (and a whole bunch of related posts there)
D. Glenn Butner, Jr.:
And a recent round-up post by Alastair Roberts:
Darren Sumner again, with:
Matt Emerson, with:
Matthew Barrent, with:
Michael Bird points out the line-up for a section at ETS this year:
And lately the 'civil war' has even made it to Christianity Today: Caleb Lindgren writes
A guest post by Scott Harrower on Michael Bird's Blog:
Another good descriptive post, by Mike Riccardi:
Andrew Moody's second post over at TGC Australia:
And finally a response from Goligher to Ovey:
Grudem combed through some evangelical scholars to prove the lineage of his view:
Then Owen Strachan wrote what I would call a snarky "see told you we were right" post following on:
There's also a helpful post here from Alistair Roberts giving some reading for those playing at home:
Goligher also as a response to Ware and Grudem, here:
Keith Johnson has a post over at TGC:
Mark Jones offers a response to Wayne Grudem's list of evangelicals in support of his position:
Carl Trueman gives what he promises to be his last response to Grudem (for now?):
Over at Cripplegate, there's a whole bunch of useful posts. This most recent one is quite helpful and promising:
- The Complementarian Trinity Debate: A summary of its beginnings, by Wyatt Graham.
Wyatt Graham continues with
Christopher Cleveland has an interesting post, outlining a case for a long-term background in evangelical scholarship, here:
Scot McKnight hosts a post from Jamin Hübner at CBE, with plenty of 'quotation marks' to undermine Complementarianism and EFS:
Carl Trueman continues, tangentially:
Malcolm and Karen Yarnell start in with a baptist perspective:
53. Trinity and authority, part 1 of 5.
A mini-essay from Matthew Crawford:
Carrying on from Andrew Moody, Mark Baddeley at TGC Australia writes:
Luke Stamps tries to take stock of things:
Wend Alsup (and Hannah Handerson) at theologyforwomen.org write:
While Coutney Reissig at Christianity Today writes:
Al Mohler offers his thoughts with:
To which Carl Trueman offers his response here:
Mark Woods gives a piece for Christianity Today:
Matt Emerson gives us two fine pieces:
Lewis Ayres contributes another guest post on Mike Bird's blog:
Kyle Claunch, doctoral candidate under Bruce Ware, responds to use of their work in critiquing ERAS, with:
Some new contributions...
Mark Baddeley continues at TGC Australia:
Meanwwhile Mark Jones offers up a reading list!
Clarification from Bruce Ware over his views:
Here's Nick Norelli offering us:
Mike Bird has three questions in response to Bruce Ware's post (68):
Mark Jones, after some heated twitteractions, responds with an article engaging Ware's latest post:
- Guest Post from Mark Jones (includes some free commentary on 'tone' and 'fallout' by Trueman.
Mark Baddeley wraps up the series at TGC Australia
Todd Pruit just fired a salvo, with a post quoting extensively from Ware and showing some real problems in his book 'Father, Son, and Holy Spirit: Relationships, Roles, and Relevance':
Bruce Ware gives another guest post defending his position and trying to contextualise statements in the aforementioned book:
Matt Emerson and Luke Stamps offer a nuanced response to Ware's latest two posts:
A response letter from Goligher, Trueman, and Pruitt
An engagement with Ware's recent post from Geoff Holsclaw:
- Holsclaw responds to Ware (a little cluttered since it quotes Ware's post in full and responds point by point.)
A response from Steven Wedgeworth offers a critique of Ware's position:
78. Bruce Ware's "Essential Properties of Personhood": Social Trinitarianism and Pro-Nicene Logic
