Probably one of the best things I’ve ever done for my language learning has been time spent listening to podcasts.
The year was 2018 (I know, a long time ago). We were preparing for our first ever Australian Rusticatio (first and penultimate), and I was starting to get going on teaching communicative languages online as I finished my PhD. I realised that to improve my ability to teach through communicative methods, I also needed to work on it myself, and was taking some tutoring with some Latin speakers online.
And, frankly, it was the Golden Age of Latin Podcasting. There was Sermones Raedarii by the wonderful Alexander Veronensis, Quomodo Dicitur by “tres amici”, and Satura Lanx by Irene Regini. (All of these are still worth listening to, there’s hours of high quality Latin here)
Let me talk about these two things in relation to each other. I don’t think there’s anything quite as good as full-time immersion in an environment where comprehensible input is being delivered to you. That’s what a Rusticatio or similar is. (I think the ‘CI’ disclaimer there is important because I don’t believe just being immersed is necessarily that useful, the old ‘drop you in a foreign country’ kind of thing.)
That, however, is simply not available to most of us most of the time. Which is a real downer, I know. There’s nothing I’d like more than to offer some kind of Ancient Greek immersion camp. However, that’s costly, both in terms of having a location, having people, accommodation, food, and putting people all in the same place. I know such things are happening, in the States and Europe, but not so useful for me in far-flung Australia-land.
Anyway, Rusticatio was brilliant, because it was days and days of spoken Latin. But it was listening to well-structured podcasts that proved a real tipping point for my own ability to speak Latin. While driving, walking, or working out I had plenty of listening material that would fill my ears for 1/2 – 2hours a day. And that’s pretty good, frankly, if you can understand most of it. That’s CI. And it’s somewhat immersive. If you are listening, and not engaged in any task that is requiring, e.g., English, then you are just listening to understand people talking in the L2.
It’s the thing that most pushed me towards breaking through some barriers I had in speaking Latin, and pushed me towards competency. And the thing that got me first making my own podcast, was that I’d be driving along, listening to a Latin podcast, and I’d start talking in Latin, perhaps responding to what they were talking about, perhaps riffing off on my own. But as I did it with Latin, I started to do so in Greek, and came up with the idea of my original Greek podcast, ὁ διὰ νυκτὸς διάλογος.
Fast-forward to 2026. I’m in my final subject of a bachelor’s degree in Scottish Gaelic. I don’t live in a Gaelic-speaking context, I don’t regularly have conversational practice, and I don’t at all feel as fluent as probably somebody should be who is finishing off a degree in it. So, as I wrote here, I have been hard at work on improving my Gaelic, not least to pass the final oral exam. One of the things I have been doing extensively is… you guessed it, listening to podcasts. There are two excellent, learner-oriented podcasts for Gaelic, which are just perfect for me and I can easily get up to 3 hours in a day listening (I’d say 1hr is more average though).
And again I have noticed in myself that I am far more fluent now especially when speaking. I use the word fluent intentionally and deliberately here. I tend to avoid it, because in colloquial usage ‘fluent’ means “I have perfect native-like competency”, and that’s not really what fluency means, it means something more like ‘speed and easy of usage’. I can speak with a natural fluidity. And much of that has come from increasing the amount of immersive and extensive listening to Comprehensible Input I do, which again often leads me to pause the podcast and then start talking to myself.
There is, let me suggest to you, something about listening that is quite distinct from reading. And that’s why for most classical language enthusiasts, for students of Ancient Greek for example, listening needs to be more important than you generally make it or can make it. It gets into your brain in a different way, and then you start producing speech.
I didn’t originally intend this to be a ‘pointed’ post, i.e. I had no original agenda beyond sharing my experience and recommend you all do a lot more listening. There are only a handful of Ancient Greek podcasts out there, and I confess to you that I haven’t really listened to any of them. I plan to change that, for my own benefit, but I am also returning to the podcast space. Andrew Morehouse and I have no current plans to return to Ἑλληνιζόμεθα, but I am resuming episodes of ὁ διὰ νυκτὸς διάλογος talking by myself. Short episodes, scaled language, but hopefully useful to many of you. The first new episode is already up!
I know someone will raise the question of video materials. Aren’t videos better than podcasts because you have a visual component that makes the audio more intelligible? I think that is true, so far as it goes. Yes, you can make certain things immediately comprehensible by having visuals. So, for pure teaching, I think there’s a place for videos. However, my experience is that life doesn’t often afford me time to sit down and watch long-form videos, and the brain-rotting effects of the last 25 years of the digital economy make it hard for me to pay singular attention to a long video. The advantage of listening to a podcast is that there are often stretches of time (for myself, driving, working out, and walking) where I couldn’t do any study, reading, or watching, but I can listen and listen attentively while my body does other things. That is invaluable time spent in the language without distraction.
